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so everybody's talking about the suicide

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and how could this possibly have

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happened it must be a conspiracy even

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Donald Trump President of the United

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States himself is saying there's a

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conspiracy here so let's start with just

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your analysis of the fact that this guy

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was able apparently allegedly to commit

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suicide in his cell despite having just

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been on suicide watch well you know

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there's no question about the fact that

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there are some suspicious factors that

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would cause reasonable people to think

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that maybe there's something going on

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here and certainly merit further

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investigation but which I understand mr.

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Barr has said is gonna be taking place

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but you know on the other hand and yeah

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what are some of those suspicious things

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I mean the fact that he should have been

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on suicide watch he had already

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attempted to commit suicide once

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allegedly and for some reason or other

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was pulled off even in in the in the

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cell he was in he was supposed to be

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looked at every 30 minutes and that

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didn't take place and then all of a

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sudden some people might say

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mysteriously his cell mate was removed

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from the cell and he's left there all by

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himself now a lot of people would say

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those are a lot of suspicious factors on

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the other hand okay what we're talking

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about our government screw-ups and and

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let's face it okay the government screws

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up by there's a lot of very talented and

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competent and capable people working for

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the government but there's an awful lot

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of people who work for the government

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because it's an easy job and you know

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the you know the Assistant United States

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Attorney who works nights and weekends

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and juggles 15 cases he doesn't get any

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more than the guy who does one case at a

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time and so you know and and it's the

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Bureau of Prisons and the Bureau of

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Prisons does not necessarily attract the

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best and the brightest and the union

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head for the for the prison guards says

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they're they're badly understaffed at

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that particular times of overtime yeah

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also apparently that prison is known for

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a lot of squalor yeah and and so and so

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it doesn't surprise me if a lot of the

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stuff that happened which look

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suspicious is just attributed to

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incompetence and and and I have to say

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say one thing further and you may

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disagree with me on this but if there

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was ever a person on planet earth who

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had lots and lots of reasons to kill

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himself it was Jeffrey Epstein I mean I

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I think that they were really after him

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this time

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and and there wasn't gonna be a deal and

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he was never gonna see the light of day

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here you get a guy who's supposedly a

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billionaire estates you know the the

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freedom to engage in in in his perverse

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sexual conduct and and let me just say

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by the way is the father or two

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daughters I mean I'm really offended by

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the sorts of things that he was allowed

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to to get away with but you know all of

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a sudden he was gonna be living in a

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hole for the rest of his life he

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probably couldn't even be released to

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the general prison population because

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you know people who prey on on young

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girls sometimes don't don't last that

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long and even in the the federal prisons

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and so he was he was never gonna see the

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light of day he was never going to

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reassert mastery over as his life and

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career and so you know I I imagine that

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you know he had good reason

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okay well that leads right into what I

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want to talk about cuz I do want to

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focus primarily on what happened in

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Miami and how he got off in Miami but

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and that's all I why I think the two are

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so related because he was able to get

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off in Miami he hired the dream team of

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dream teams

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he had Kenneth Starr Dershowitz a couple

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of black maybe black he had some yeah

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you know oh Jays dream team to shame he

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had a lot of talent right and the guy is

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apparently not quite a billionaire but

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he's worth about five hundred million so

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we know and that's a lot more money than

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oj had and by the way oj got off right

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so Epstein got off in Miami effectively

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one year Oh Jay got off with his dream

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team so why would he suddenly think that

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I'm not gonna be able to pull this off

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again it doesn't make any sense

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well you know I mean I don't I don't I

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don't think the word got off is is

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really

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appropriate I mean he okay but yeah cuz

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we're gonna dig it out that a little bit

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more but before he dig in it okay let's

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say you didn't get off it was it was two

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years it was yeah yeah being one your

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bottom line is that ain't bad you don't

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kill yourself right Russ you don't kill

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yourself over potentially spending a

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year in prison you kill yourself if

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you're gonna spend the rest of your life

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in prison so why would he assume Russ

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very important why would he assume that

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in the New York case I'm going to jail

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for life whereas in the Miami case I was

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able to get off when the few cases are

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essentially the same okay because

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because public perceptions of that kind

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of conduct and public perceptions of

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Jeffrey Epstein in particular were a lot

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different in in in the South Florida

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2008 plea deal a lot a lot of people

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didn't know who Jeffrey Epstein was a

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lot of that goes out attorneys Joe

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keeping it very quiet yeah a lot of that

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stuff could fly underneath the radar and

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you've gotten to the same though and the

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allegations was that he abused over

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thirty girls this is in the play

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eighty-two page prosecution memorandum

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in fifty-three page indictments in Miami

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outlining everything it includes that he

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listened this Epstein directed persons

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to abuse the girls sorry in addition to

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his own sexual abuse of the victims

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Epstein directed other persons to abuse

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the girl sexually Epstein used paid

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employees to find and bring minors to

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him

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obtain minors not only for his own

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sexual gratification but also for the

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sexual gratification of others and they

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had forty girls that's the Miami case

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there's a major case okay no let's talk

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about what happened there okay and and

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and first off I agree with you there's

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some outrage that should be directed as

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to what happened although I think it's

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being it's being misdirected and I'm

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going to talk about that in just a

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second but but he was able to cut a deal

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because there wasn't a lot of publicity

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and and the federal prosecutor involved

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well the federal president the law okay

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trust me okay if you don't think that a

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prosecution being the sort of thing that

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gets reported in the headlines of the

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local papers doesn't have any

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impact on the conduct of the prosecutors

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well of course it does okay okay it

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maybe it should not but but we live in

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the real world where there's real people

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and people are concerned about public

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and perceptions and some of them are

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ambitious lived with these prosecutors

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for many many years and if this came

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this case came across your desk where

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this guy is not only we got 40 girls

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that are that are underaged that this

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guy sexually abused or pimped out yeah

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that he was running an underage

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prostitution ring isn't that somebody

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you really want to go out okay okay

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these are the people that when they get

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in prison everybody wants to kill them

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when in prison you tell me prosecutors

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don't have the same attitude okay these

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guys first off let's look at the

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situation that does it existed when the

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feds got involved okay when the feds got

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involved the state prosecution

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authorities had already decided what

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they were gonna charge had already

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charged Epstein with procurement of

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prostitution nothing with respect to

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minors okay it was a charge that number

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one likely would have resulted in no

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jail time at all

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and number two would not have required

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Epstein to register as a sex offender

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and no causa has said this he says

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that's why we stepped in because we

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couldn't let that stand we couldn't let

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that stand and so and and so what they

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did was you know I think they did three

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things which demonstrate to me that they

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weren't in Epstein's pocket but but

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we're really interested in coming to a

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to a reasonable result and and and part

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of that result involved okay not having

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these girls have to testify they would

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have had to disclose these girls to the

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dream team the dream team the girls are

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pissed off at the deal that he cut they

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were ready to testify

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well no no that's not true okay that's

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not true okay there was the event and

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and and Villa Fania the the the

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prosecutor she filed a declaration with

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the with with the federal court it was

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detailed it was entirely reasonable and

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she was having tremendous difficulty

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getting these girls to testify one of

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these girls in fact she was being

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represented by a lawyer who was being

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paid by Epstein okay and was basically

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saying well you know when my client

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doesn't want to cooperate you give her a

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complete immunity which simply will

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and available for for that sort of thing

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and and and she won't she won't testify

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but an awful lot of the girls said look

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I want to put this behind me I I really

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don't want you know and any further

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involvement in this thing and she had

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you know she had an interest of being in

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protecting what the victims wanted which

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was anonymity and and not having their

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lives put under a microscope by you know

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Epstein's extremely well-funded dream

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team who would clearly you know go into

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their records with a fine-tooth comb and

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find every bit of dirt about about these

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girls and that's something that the

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prosecutor the federal prosecutor wanted

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to avoid okay now well okay but you had

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forty that you had forty girls so you

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got a lot of girls to go through so you

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got a lot of potential witnesses but yes

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they're up against the dream team I

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could see them cowering in front of that

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dream team no not cowering but but you

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know you whenever you're making a deal

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whenever you make a deal there's a

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number of factors that you take into

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consideration and one of those factors

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is is is is how likely it is we're gonna

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get a result that's better than what we

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could negotiate look if it how is that

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any different than New York well in New

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York they they just had and and maybe it

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wasn't okay you know you know I think he

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had wimpy prosecutors in Miami at best

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know there was some type of

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underhandedness going on what you just

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had with prosecutors they just wimped

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out I mean they're all sitting on the

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mother look they had Jeffrey Epstein

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they had them they all they introduced

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go to the island now they're going to

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the island did they ever go to the

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island did Miami go to the island okay

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okay here's the thing the again you had

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wimpy prosecutors but I don't think

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they're on the federal side remember on

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the state side and by the way it's the

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state the state government you know that

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the feds they have you know you know a

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statutory rape statute which which at

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which I'm looking at ripe right here for

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for underage underage girls but that's

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not something that's typically a federal

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concern most of those things are handled

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a stateside because most of the time

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there's no federal jurisdiction for a

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that sort of thing whatever pressure

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they exerted on the feds they also

289
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exerted on the state the same

290
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explanation for the for the for the

291
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sweetheart deal the feds gave him is the

292
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explanation

293
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sweetheart deal the state well you know

294
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you keep saying sweetheart deal I know

295
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now let's talk about that okay because

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everyone's saying well the 18 months

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that was negotiated that's that that's

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unreasonable

299
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well alright sorry let's start with the

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state deal was the state deal of

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sweetheart the state deal was clearly a

302
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sweetheart deal line and hold on let's

303
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stop right there why did the state give

304
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Jeffrey Epstein a sweetheart deal why

305
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well you know in it did I don't know and

306
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frankly there hasn't been enough light

307
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shined on this thing after he was

308
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committed to to state prison as you know

309
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he went into into a work-release program

310
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right so so he's a saint was weak on him

311
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twice first they wanted to prosecute him

312
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only for picking up a prostitute that

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wasn't even underage then when he does

314
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get in prison they let him out six days

315
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a week something suspicious is going on

316
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at the state level and by the way the

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sheriff who was responsible for that

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work release or at least a sheriff who

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oversaw I mean he's still the sheriff

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there uh you know why isn't there some

321
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what why isn't there some inquiring into

322
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his into his conduct and and here's the

323
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thing by the way to make the work

324
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release thing even more outrageous is

325
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what he was convicted of did not qualify

326
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for work release the company that he

327
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supposedly went to work for didn't

328
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really exist I mean it was a company

329
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that he created for the sole purpose of

330
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having someplace to go to work release

331
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which as soon as this term ended the

332
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company no longer no longer existed so

333
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the whole thing was a put-up job just to

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get Jeffrey Jeffrey Epstein out of jail

335
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and there are allegations that when he

336
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was theoretically serving time in Ennis

337
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in the state prison for having molested

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underage girls that he was continuing to

339
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molest underage girls where he was

340
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theoretically serving his his sentence

341
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for that so so so I think that's really

342
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you and I every the state went light on

343
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him the questions and you know by the

344
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way do you know how much by the way the

345
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Deb's team paid the sheriff's for this

346
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work release program one hundred and

347
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twenty seven thousand dollars okay and

348
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of course we know that that you know

349
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he's for it why because he had to pay

350
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for the time of officers you could go

351
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with them or something to surveil him

352
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yes officers who by the way called him

353
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mr. Epstein okay

354
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while they were you know you know

355
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protecting and guarding what is your

356
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theory as to why the state went so light

357
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on him I think I mean my theory okay and

358
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and and I don't have any evidence of

359
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this but I mean I think it's something

360
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which I understand the governor of

361
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Florida has said he's going to

362
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investigate and he should investigate

363
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but it would surprise me not at all if

364
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it turns out that there was some

365
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corruption involved and that there was

366
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money changing hands either in the terms

367
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of of you know nice campaign

368
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contributions for for local district

369
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attorneys and the and the sheriff who by

370
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the way are all elected officers so

371
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you're willing to alleged corruption on

372
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the state deal but you're not willing to

373
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alleged corruption on the federal no

374
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well because the state there was no good

375
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reason no good reason whatsoever to let

376
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Jeffrey Epstein out on work release and

377
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and the feds objected to that okay if in

378
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fact you know the prosecutor was was

379
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corrupt when you know and was in Jeffrey

380
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Epstein's pocket and was being paid off

381
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why when he went on work release did the

382
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prosecutor of Villa Fania write a very

383
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detailed letter to the sheriff saying

384
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hey it turns out there's so much

385
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horrendous [\h__\h] that Epstein did that

386
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we're learning more and more about that

387
00:14:39,410 --> 00:14:37,110
he just killed himself

388
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a couple days ago and you're the

389
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prosecutor in Miami and you've got the

390
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case you've got 40 girls you know that

391
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he's peeping out underage girls on an

392
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international level according to the

393
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claim and an international level in your

394
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city you're trying to justify to be an

395
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18 month deal okay you just kill them so

396
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over this here's here's what you got to

397
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understand it and you've seen a lot of

398
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irresponsible reporting in the press

399
00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:02,790
that says ah he was facing a life

400
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sentence and that's just that's just non

401
00:15:08,389 --> 00:15:07,259
can what was he facing okay well you

402
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know first off you would have been

403
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sentenced under something called the

404
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Sentencing Guidelines which is a thick

405
00:15:16,639 --> 00:15:15,000
book about you know small what is the

406
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sentence for us for molesting 40

407
00:15:20,179 --> 00:15:18,329
underage girls you tell okay and poking

408
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them out international okay here's the

409
00:15:24,679 --> 00:15:23,370
deal okay I'm looking at the you know

410
00:15:26,809 --> 00:15:24,689
the way the Sentencing Guidelines work

411
00:15:28,759 --> 00:15:26,819
is you've got to get figure out what the

412
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offense is you've got to figure out what

413
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the guideline level for that offense

414
00:15:34,670 --> 00:15:33,449
raped 40 okay I've read three fourteen

415
00:15:35,990 --> 00:15:34,680
years okay so can you tell me what this

416
00:15:36,900 --> 00:15:36,000
okay so I'll tell you what the sentence

417
00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:36,910
is for that okay

418
00:15:41,580 --> 00:15:39,130
since the sentences for that if he

419
00:15:48,870 --> 00:15:41,590
pleads guilty he's somewhere in the

420
00:15:52,050 --> 00:15:48,880
neighborhood of 33 to 41 months okay for

421
00:15:52,770 --> 00:15:52,060
raping forty forty okay okay first off

422
00:15:54,690 --> 00:15:52,780
okay

423
00:15:57,360 --> 00:15:54,700
first off we don't know that they were

424
00:15:59,220 --> 00:15:57,370
fourteen okay we don't under eight okay

425
00:16:01,500 --> 00:15:59,230
well DC underage that begs the question

426
00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:01,510
okay underage under which body of law

427
00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:03,010
and this by the way is another good

428
00:16:08,550 --> 00:16:04,330
reason for keeping the case in state

429
00:16:10,860 --> 00:16:08,560
court okay because the because the under

430
00:16:12,450 --> 00:16:10,870
federal law the age of consent is

431
00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:12,460
sixteen okay

432
00:16:16,620 --> 00:16:14,770
under state law the age of consent is

433
00:16:19,470 --> 00:16:16,630
eighteen that means if you prosecute

434
00:16:22,140 --> 00:16:19,480
federally all the girls that are sixteen

435
00:16:24,630 --> 00:16:22,150
and seventeen years old okay they don't

436
00:16:27,300 --> 00:16:24,640
get to be victims you know the the the

437
00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:27,310
abuse of them is not a crime how many of

438
00:16:30,990 --> 00:16:29,290
those forty girls were were were

439
00:16:32,190 --> 00:16:31,000
fourteen and fifteen that's really the

440
00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:32,200
question you should be asking yourself

441
00:16:35,190 --> 00:16:33,850
and frankly I don't know the answer to

442
00:16:37,860 --> 00:16:35,200
that question but those are the only

443
00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:37,870
ones that count in a federal in a

444
00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:39,730
federal prosecution okay that's the

445
00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:40,930
first I've heard that so I'll give you

446
00:16:46,230 --> 00:16:44,410
credit okay well yes nobody saying this

447
00:16:49,050 --> 00:16:46,240
right yeah yeah not saying this you're

448
00:16:51,780 --> 00:16:49,060
saying the age of consent under federal

449
00:16:53,580 --> 00:16:51,790
law yeah it is sixteen yeah you got to

450
00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:53,590
be it for it to be an underage the girl

451
00:16:59,880 --> 00:16:56,050
has to be 15 or younger yeah 18 United

452
00:17:01,560 --> 00:16:59,890
States Code section 2243 your audience

453
00:17:05,910 --> 00:17:01,570
could could look it up sexual abuse of a

454
00:17:10,650 --> 00:17:05,920
minor award and there's it to two

455
00:17:13,290 --> 00:17:10,660
sections one is you know for twelve

456
00:17:18,809 --> 00:17:13,300
years and younger and and one for for

457
00:17:21,210 --> 00:17:18,819
sixteen years and because it gets more

458
00:17:23,819 --> 00:17:21,220
and more disgusting the younger and of

459
00:17:25,530 --> 00:17:23,829
course under twelve its yeah serious

460
00:17:26,790 --> 00:17:25,540
yeah if it's under sixteen now when we

461
00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:26,800
say serious let's just stay on this for

462
00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:29,050
a second are we talking felonies or

463
00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:29,650
misdemeanors

464
00:17:33,660 --> 00:17:30,970
oh no we're definitely talking felony

465
00:17:35,220 --> 00:17:33,670
even okay okay and somebody looking at

466
00:17:40,790 --> 00:17:35,230
this statute even for somebody looking

467
00:17:45,150 --> 00:17:43,830
fifteen years okay it says right here in

468
00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:45,160
the statute it's written right in here

469
00:17:50,070 --> 00:17:47,770
it says fifteen years 15 years what 15

470
00:17:50,820 --> 00:17:50,080
years is the maximum sentence you could

471
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receive

472
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for having violating a fifteen-year-old

473
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for molesting a fifteen years okay okay

474
00:18:00,180 --> 00:17:58,210
so you stack those up and he's got

475
00:18:01,980 --> 00:18:00,190
multiple life sentences right except

476
00:18:04,650 --> 00:18:01,990
then and and that's that's the sloppy

477
00:18:06,030 --> 00:18:04,660
stuff that reporters do because they

478
00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:06,040
don't understand the Sentencing

479
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Guidelines which no question about it or

480
00:18:11,490 --> 00:18:09,490
complicated what you have to do is you

481
00:18:13,470 --> 00:18:11,500
have to take that statute you have to

482
00:18:16,170 --> 00:18:13,480
plug it into the book and you got a base

483
00:18:17,940 --> 00:18:16,180
offense level of 18 and then you say

484
00:18:19,110 --> 00:18:17,950
well we've got multiple victims so how

485
00:18:20,820 --> 00:18:19,120
do we deal with that well there's a

486
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section in the sentencing guidelines

487
00:18:25,170 --> 00:18:22,930
that deals with that that said for every

488
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group of unrelated counts and let's

489
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assume that every different victim is an

490
00:18:34,500 --> 00:18:30,640
unrelated count you add one but here's

491
00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:34,510
the thing to a maximum of five so the

492
00:18:39,780 --> 00:18:36,730
way the Sentencing Guidelines work okay

493
00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:39,790
the first you know six victims you get

494
00:18:43,590 --> 00:18:41,650
like and then after that it's like it's

495
00:18:45,150 --> 00:18:43,600
all just free now you don't keep adding

496
00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:45,160
on to that you don't keep that true with

497
00:18:49,830 --> 00:18:47,650
all sentencing guidelines or just as it

498
00:18:51,510 --> 00:18:49,840
pertains to knowledge no no that's

499
00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:51,520
that's typically true if you're somebody

500
00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:53,170
who's done a string of bank robberies

501
00:18:58,320 --> 00:18:56,050
for example each bank robbery would be

502
00:19:00,930 --> 00:18:58,330
unrelated and so you know there's no

503
00:19:03,900 --> 00:19:00,940
point in charging any more than five or

504
00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:03,910
six what about murder um well you know

505
00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:04,570
for murder

506
00:19:07,590 --> 00:19:06,010
it doesn't really in science in

507
00:19:08,970 --> 00:19:07,600
guidelines is gonna be so high that it

508
00:19:13,050 --> 00:19:08,980
does doesn't matter how they how they

509
00:19:14,970 --> 00:19:13,060
relate but the but but yeah I mean the

510
00:19:17,550 --> 00:19:14,980
the there's a section that deals with

511
00:19:19,590 --> 00:19:17,560
how to deal with multiple crimes that

512
00:19:21,780 --> 00:19:19,600
doesn't differentiate between them so

513
00:19:23,790 --> 00:19:21,790
what you're saying is raping forty

514
00:19:26,220 --> 00:19:23,800
underage girls is the same as raping

515
00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:26,230
five essentially um no that's not what

516
00:19:29,340 --> 00:19:26,770
I'm saying

517
00:19:33,300 --> 00:19:29,350
okay that's how you work the Sentencing

518
00:19:35,340 --> 00:19:33,310
Guidelines okay sentencing basic from

519
00:19:37,260 --> 00:19:35,350
from the perspective of the people who

520
00:19:38,550 --> 00:19:37,270
wrote the sentencing guidelines and I

521
00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:38,560
mean they just didn't write it I mean

522
00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:39,850
you know what they did was they looked

523
00:19:45,990 --> 00:19:43,690
at they looked at the you know sort of

524
00:19:47,460 --> 00:19:46,000
they did a survey of sentences which had

525
00:19:49,020 --> 00:19:47,470
been been handed out over over the

526
00:19:51,090 --> 00:19:49,030
decades and tried to to write a

527
00:19:52,380 --> 00:19:51,100
guideline that that reflect that and by

528
00:19:55,500 --> 00:19:52,390
the way I'm not a fan of the guidelines

529
00:19:57,780 --> 00:19:55,510
okay no and no prosecutor I know is a

530
00:19:59,240 --> 00:19:57,790
fan of the guide okay but the reality is

531
00:20:01,650 --> 00:19:59,250
is that that's what that's what the

532
00:20:03,300 --> 00:20:01,660
assistant US attorney handling this case

533
00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:03,310
villa fauna that's what she was looking

534
00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:04,650
at okay so let's go back to the number

535
00:20:09,530 --> 00:20:07,890
you said that it maxes out at five girls

536
00:20:12,860 --> 00:20:09,540
at fifteen years each that'd be 75 years

537
00:20:14,450 --> 00:20:12,870
no no no no because because then okay

538
00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:14,460
you've got a base offense level of

539
00:20:19,430 --> 00:20:17,250
eighteen okay you add numbers to that

540
00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:19,440
you can add five numbers to that

541
00:20:24,530 --> 00:20:21,810
okay so eighteen plus five is and here

542
00:20:26,180 --> 00:20:24,540
come the chart okay you know this is

543
00:20:27,770 --> 00:20:26,190
more of an accounting thing than a

544
00:20:30,110 --> 00:20:27,780
prosecution thing but this is the actual

545
00:20:32,300 --> 00:20:30,120
chart that you use from the from the

546
00:20:34,700 --> 00:20:32,310
Sentencing Guidelines and and over here

547
00:20:36,260 --> 00:20:34,710
on this side is the offense level and

548
00:20:37,850 --> 00:20:36,270
over here is the criminal history and

549
00:20:39,380 --> 00:20:37,860
this by the way I'm assuming that his

550
00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:39,390
criminal history was one I I don't know

551
00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:42,090
that that it was that it was more than

552
00:20:45,620 --> 00:20:43,410
that although they you know the

553
00:20:47,150 --> 00:20:45,630
pre-sentence officer is very good about

554
00:20:49,070 --> 00:20:47,160
finding stuff that people did a long

555
00:20:51,170 --> 00:20:49,080
time ago that you wouldn't know but the

556
00:20:52,700 --> 00:20:51,180
but at any rate and right over here is

557
00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:52,710
the column that gives the number of

558
00:20:57,760 --> 00:20:55,410
months and so you you take 18 which is

559
00:21:00,770 --> 00:20:57,770
the basic offense level for the crime

560
00:21:03,650 --> 00:21:00,780
that that he would probably have been

561
00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:03,660
charged with and you add five and then

562
00:21:07,100 --> 00:21:05,610
if he pleads guilty you subtract three

563
00:21:09,140 --> 00:21:07,110
because that's the benefit you get when

564
00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:09,150
you plead guilty and you end up it and

565
00:21:14,060 --> 00:21:12,210
you end up at 33 to 41 months and it's

566
00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:14,070
just math okay but hold on a second is

567
00:21:17,780 --> 00:21:15,570
that what he's facing in New York then

568
00:21:19,730 --> 00:21:17,790
no okay why is he facing more in New

569
00:21:21,350 --> 00:21:19,740
York than you faced in mind okay now for

570
00:21:23,210 --> 00:21:21,360
one thing they're charging him under a

571
00:21:26,270 --> 00:21:23,220
different statute that I believe would

572
00:21:29,810 --> 00:21:26,280
have been charged the they're charging

573
00:21:35,690 --> 00:21:29,820
him under a statute that alleges that he

574
00:21:38,930 --> 00:21:35,700
was sex trafficking know that youthful

575
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:38,940
force and coercion okay now I I got to

576
00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:40,650
tell you something I mean I've read a

577
00:21:45,170 --> 00:21:42,570
lot about this case I've looked at the

578
00:21:46,730 --> 00:21:45,180
charging documents I looked at the the

579
00:21:48,620 --> 00:21:46,740
indictment that that came out of the

580
00:21:51,020 --> 00:21:48,630
Southern District of New York I don't

581
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:51,030
really see any evidence of coercion III

582
00:21:57,410 --> 00:21:54,690
see that he used money to to get these

583
00:22:00,020 --> 00:21:57,420
these these victims to do what he wanted

584
00:22:02,090 --> 00:22:00,030
him to do the but I don't see that a use

585
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:02,100
force or you know held them against

586
00:22:05,420 --> 00:22:04,170
their will or took their passport and

587
00:22:07,370 --> 00:22:05,430
wouldn't give it back or the sort of

588
00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:07,380
things that constitute coercion

589
00:22:15,470 --> 00:22:11,570
so you know I'm gonna tell you I think

590
00:22:17,930 --> 00:22:15,480
that the Southern District of New York

591
00:22:18,620 --> 00:22:17,940
might have overcharged the case because

592
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:18,630
I think I might

593
00:22:22,610 --> 00:22:20,730
stuff that they couldn't prove but you

594
00:22:25,669 --> 00:22:22,620
know what the light of day on this thing

595
00:22:27,020 --> 00:22:25,679
you know you wanna you know you want to

596
00:22:29,029 --> 00:22:27,030
put something very aggressive out there

597
00:22:33,070 --> 00:22:29,039
and then you work to try to prove it

598
00:22:38,180 --> 00:22:35,210
should there be new york state charge i

599
00:22:40,610 --> 00:22:38,190
mean typically typically this type of

600
00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:40,620
crime is happen it happens on a state

601
00:22:43,100 --> 00:22:42,090
level and that's another thing i mean

602
00:22:45,710 --> 00:22:43,110
i'm really not sure what the

603
00:22:49,190 --> 00:22:45,720
jurisdictional hook is i mean the you

604
00:22:51,830 --> 00:22:49,200
know if a guy riot Rob's a 7-eleven okay

605
00:22:53,330 --> 00:22:51,840
that's not a federal crime okay you know

606
00:22:54,980 --> 00:22:53,340
the FBI could be right there they can

607
00:22:56,270 --> 00:22:54,990
grab them actually they probably don't

608
00:22:57,770 --> 00:22:56,280
even have authority to arrest them

609
00:23:00,260 --> 00:22:57,780
because they didn't see him committing a

610
00:23:01,700 --> 00:23:00,270
few girls from Florida to New York if

611
00:23:03,740 --> 00:23:01,710
you flew girls from Florida New York

612
00:23:05,870 --> 00:23:03,750
that probably constitutes a Mann Act

613
00:23:08,029 --> 00:23:05,880
violation you've probably got a federal

614
00:23:11,180 --> 00:23:08,039
crime but but typically these things are

615
00:23:13,279 --> 00:23:11,190
handled stateside but you know with a

616
00:23:15,140 --> 00:23:13,289
guy like Epstein it's not a bad idea to

617
00:23:18,020 --> 00:23:15,150
have the feds involved because the feds

618
00:23:20,630 --> 00:23:18,030
have resources that although you know

619
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:20,640
the New York District Attorney it's got

620
00:23:25,549 --> 00:23:23,970
no shortage of age because you've raised

621
00:23:27,649 --> 00:23:25,559
something important that that really the

622
00:23:29,750 --> 00:23:27,659
girls had to be four fourteen or fifteen

623
00:23:31,460 --> 00:23:29,760
fourteen or fifteen so let's just assume

624
00:23:33,159 --> 00:23:31,470
they were all of aids there were 16 and

625
00:23:35,930 --> 00:23:33,169
older but he's running a major

626
00:23:36,980 --> 00:23:35,940
prostitution ring how many years do you

627
00:23:39,230 --> 00:23:36,990
go to jail for running a major

628
00:23:41,360 --> 00:23:39,240
prostitution ring well not for just

629
00:23:43,190 --> 00:23:41,370
being a John in Miami I mean in in Vegas

630
00:23:44,870 --> 00:23:43,200
with with a few girls where you're

631
00:23:46,820 --> 00:23:44,880
flying them back and forth and setting

632
00:23:48,409 --> 00:23:46,830
them up with you know overseas and this

633
00:23:54,220 --> 00:23:48,419
is not a major prostitution ring okay

634
00:23:57,169 --> 00:23:54,230
you know I you know my understanding

635
00:24:00,169 --> 00:23:57,179
okay of the charges against Epstein as

636
00:24:02,180 --> 00:24:00,179
they existed back in 2008 was not real I

637
00:24:04,970 --> 00:24:02,190
mean he was not doing a commercial

638
00:24:07,370 --> 00:24:04,980
business okay he was not you know a pimp

639
00:24:10,549 --> 00:24:07,380
who was you know renting out these girls

640
00:24:11,990 --> 00:24:10,559
to to John's and and making money on

641
00:24:15,529 --> 00:24:12,000
account of that I mean this was

642
00:24:20,060 --> 00:24:15,539
primarily a matter of gratifying his own

643
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:20,070
perverted tastes and you know there may

644
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:21,570
have been some instances and this has

645
00:24:26,299 --> 00:24:23,970
certainly been alleged he was alleging

646
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:26,309
that cases were rich and rich rich and

647
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:29,010
powerful people were allowed to access

648
00:24:31,919 --> 00:24:30,570
these girls but I don't know that any of

649
00:24:33,210 --> 00:24:31,929
them paid anything

650
00:24:35,539 --> 00:24:33,220
hate him for the privilege I mean this

651
00:24:37,950 --> 00:24:35,549
is just hey you're my buddy you know

652
00:24:40,710 --> 00:24:37,960
we're we're having a good time over at

653
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:40,720
over at Epstein's a house I'm bringing

654
00:24:44,580 --> 00:24:43,090
the I'm bringing the girls well in and

655
00:24:47,549 --> 00:24:44,590
by the way it may have been because they

656
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:47,559
didn't investigate it sufficiently they

657
00:24:50,460 --> 00:24:49,330
didn't go to the island well they said

658
00:24:53,159 --> 00:24:50,470
they certainly didn't go to the island

659
00:24:54,690 --> 00:24:53,169
yeah okay and so for some reason you

660
00:24:56,989 --> 00:24:54,700
know even though it was and I have not

661
00:24:59,369 --> 00:24:56,999
read the full indictment but it was a

662
00:25:01,590 --> 00:24:59,379
fifty-three page indictment outlining

663
00:25:03,330 --> 00:25:01,600
numerous federal sexual offenses

664
00:25:05,580 --> 00:25:03,340
committed by Epstein yeah I have three

665
00:25:09,210 --> 00:25:05,590
pages indictment okay

666
00:25:12,570 --> 00:25:09,220
yes but but you do it that way you do it

667
00:25:15,330 --> 00:25:12,580
that way because you've got a charge

668
00:25:17,070 --> 00:25:15,340
used to be back in the day used to be

669
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:17,080
back in the day when you were looking

670
00:25:21,989 --> 00:25:19,330
for restitution okay

671
00:25:24,570 --> 00:25:21,999
you could convict a guy on one count and

672
00:25:26,730 --> 00:25:24,580
then you know bring in the evidence that

673
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:26,740
shows he was guilty of all these other

674
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:28,330
crimes against all these other victims

675
00:25:31,950 --> 00:25:30,490
and have them all get restitution but

676
00:25:34,049 --> 00:25:31,960
the Supreme Court said no that violates

677
00:25:36,509 --> 00:25:34,059
people's constitutional rights and so

678
00:25:39,389 --> 00:25:36,519
now in order for somebody to be entitled

679
00:25:41,340 --> 00:25:39,399
to restitution you've got to put that

680
00:25:43,139 --> 00:25:41,350
particular count in the indictment and

681
00:25:46,049 --> 00:25:43,149
you've got to convict him he's got a

682
00:25:48,629 --> 00:25:46,059
plead or or he's got to be convicted by

683
00:25:50,549 --> 00:25:48,639
a jury of that particular count or else

684
00:25:53,279 --> 00:25:50,559
that victim does not get restitution and

685
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:53,289
so as a result yeah it's gonna be a big

686
00:25:57,419 --> 00:25:54,850
indictment because you gotta put it all

687
00:26:01,529 --> 00:25:57,429
in there but but here's the here here's